Tuners/Monitoring Software

RPMG

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Do any of you use tuning software or tuners on your Z3? Do you have to remove certain portions of programing to remove catalytic converter so it does not return error codes? Are their other areas of programing to remove like ABS? We are new to this but a re familiar with this course on diesels so wanted to check. This will be a "race only" Z3 not driven on the street.

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Robert
 

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I have heard of others removing the Cats to get a better sound a bit more performance but they never complained about errors. They did mention that they needed to refit them when doing the MOT so they don't fail the CO2 testing but that was their only gripe. :)
 
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On cars with only a pre cat O2 sensor, you can remove the cat without changing the engine map, i.e. the M44 1996 - 1999, and some early 2.8 engines. on other engines and face lift cars that have a post cat O2 sensor, you will get a check engine light if you remove the cat, so you would need a remap to write it out.
 
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I don't know Dave, my guess is that if you did that the car would never get out of cold start settings and as a consequence would cause the engine to run rich all the while. You see the engine parameters are based on the output of the post cat O2 sensor once the engine is warm, and will only switch over from cold start once it gets the right reading.
 

RPMG

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Is there software to do the remap I could get or is it only done at a dealership?

Thanks for the help!!
 
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It would need to be done by a company who specialise in remapping and tuning, I would suggest that if you are removing the cats, you are also changing induction and exhausts for less restrictive items, it would be beneficial to have it remapped to get the most benefit from those also, companies such as Evolve would be able to help you.
 

RPMG

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It would need to be done by a company who specialise in remapping and tuning, I would suggest that if you are removing the cats, you are also changing induction and exhausts for less restrictive items, it would be beneficial to have it remapped to get the most benefit from those also, companies such as Evolve would be able to help you.

Thank you sir!!
 
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Also have a look at Matts progress @TMC Motorsport, he has probably been through what you are looking to do and come out the other side, I am sure he will chat it through with you.
 

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We took the cats out of our car with no ill effects. For a while we ran on a standard map, and it graually improved the performance as the ecu learned and evened out the mixture, Basically, from what I can gather, the ecu measures the post-cat lambda, compares it to known parameters and adjusts the mixture automatically. I'm sure its a lot more complex than that, but thats how my dyno chap explained it!
Where are you based Robert? If you're within reasonable distance of the South West, take the car to Circuit Motors at Castle Combe and get Paul to remap it. He has done all the engine setup work on every race car we've ever run, and also happens to know a lot about BMWs in general.
Failing that, we have just bought an S50B32 to transplant into ours, so have a 2.8 with a remapped ECU going spare if you want a good starting point!

Sorry, just saw the part about the ABS.
We removed the entire module and plumbed in new brake lines. The ABS *can* be mapped out of the ECU, but its not easy on the standard setup. The car ran fine on the track without the ABS, as all the wheel speed sensors returned values the ECU was happy with, but as soon as we put it on a dyno, it would only rev to 5250 and sit in limp mode. Eventually, with no other option, we connected a wire into the cam sensor in the ecu, and connected it up to the input for the front wheel speed sensors. That way, it always got a reading within parameters, and therefore didnt limit the car when the back wheels turned and the fronts were stationary. It had absolutely no ill effects on circuit.

We're looking into stand-alone ECU options at the moment, as the BMW ones have limitations. If you are building a serious race machine, I would consider this for the long term, but if you get someone who knows what they're doing (cant recommend Paul at Circuit Motors highly enough) then you will get by on whats already in the car.
 
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RPMG

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Thanks for the info. I am in South Carolina in the USA so probably won't get to see Paul :) I do appreciate the info though.

Edit to Add: I like your car. It is really sharp looking.
 
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