Z4 YouTuber's videos involving my E85 Z4M

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Not sure if you guys are aware, but there is a young lad in the UK who does a lot of content around the Z4. His channel name is called "It's Joel" and last Sat I went down to Surrey and let him film with my car for about 4 hours.

He himself is an E85 Z4 3.0 owner and over the last 12+ months has managed to film and review a number of Z4's , including the Alpina Roadster. He's not been able to get hold of an E85 M until I messaged him last year and told him I would be happy to help him out, by letting him use my own car (even though I had only owned it for about 48 hours!).

The first videos will be going live at 5:30pm this evening, with a 2nd video coming out Saturday and a couple more in the following weeks. I hope you will watch the videos and enjoy what he was able to get done with my M.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fK1sDu0Sw
 
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I watched the Alpina one.
 

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I watched the Alpina one.
Was it your Alpina in the video?

When I was deciding what car I was going to try and get, it was seeing Joel's videos with the Z4 that was one of the reasons I decided to go for a Z4. I was looking at a few different Alpina models, including the Alpina Roadster. Typically I would have gone for one of the two Alpina Roadsters that were for sale at the time I got my M, but decided the Alpina was lacking some of the really important parts that were a must have on my requirements list.
 

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Was it your Alpina in the video?

When I was deciding what car I was going to try and get, it was seeing Joel's videos with the Z4 that was one of the reasons I decided to go for a Z4. I was looking at a few different Alpina models, including the Alpina Roadster. Typically I would have gone for one of the two Alpina Roadsters that were for sale at the time I got my M, but decided the Alpina was lacking some of the really important parts that were a must have on my requirements list.
No it wasn't mine in the video, what parts did you think were missing I'm intrigued? Do I need to have M envy? :whistle:
 
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No it wasn't mine in the video, what parts did you think were missing I'm intrigued? Do I need to have M envy? :whistle:
Hydrolic Power Steering, M3/CSL Steering Rack (depends if it is an E85/86) , M3 CSL suspension parts/hubs, LSD, Quad Tailpipes & Bonnet, S54 Engine (until late last summer my dad had an E46 M3, which is how I got to grow fond of it's sound). , More BHP than my Impreza P1 had (330BHP/330LBT), Ease of getting parts compared to an Alpina (I use to own an '85 E30 Alpina C2 2.5) as I had some really annoying problems in getting some Alpina specific parts when I had one.

While my dad's S54 had to have it's VANOS unit totally replaced by a Mr VANOS custom one, I read that because it was effectively the CSL's spec version in the Z4M and extra development, I knew pretty much the VANOS issues had been all but erased with the Z4M's. I am aware there are still problems linked to the S54 , I felt overall the S54 would be an engine I would enjoy a lot more. Also the 8K RPM limit would allow the engine to feel very similar to the custom built EJ20 my Impreza P1 , even though it was a turbocharged engined compared to the S54 being NA

One thing I read about the Alpina Roadster that worried me, was a number of problems with the 3.4's head gasket issues, which just worried me. Because I was being bought my car, my mum told me that she didn't want me having anything old or unreliable. My Dad had spent so much money getting problems fixed with his E46 M3 Cab and it really p***** my mum off. Getting her to OK me getting not only a BMW, but one that in her eyes, had the same bits my dad's car had was no small feat.

Typically I prefer the Alpina version of a BMW compared to the M-Sport version and I was very close to choosing the Alpina, but I knew with the Z4M being built in way bigger numbers, it would make life easier in the long run. I think the Alpina with it's torque being better and how it is through the rev range makes it better than the S54 for doing longer distance driving and possibly suit B-Road Hooning better than the S54, which needs to be taken by the scruff of the neck to get the best out of it, which is not always the best solution when on B-Roads.


If the Alpina had an LSD, I could learn to live with the electric PAS but it would eventually annoy me to the point I would decide to sell the car. The cosmetic stuff could always be installed, but I am a bit of a stickler for only putting mods on a car that don't clash with it's purity.
 

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Hydrolic Power Steering, M3/CSL Steering Rack (depends if it is an E85/86) , M3 CSL suspension parts/hubs, LSD, Quad Tailpipes & Bonnet, S54 Engine (until late last summer my dad had an E46 M3, which is how I got to grow fond of it's sound). , More BHP than my Impreza P1 had (330BHP/330LBT), Ease of getting parts compared to an Alpina (I use to own an '85 E30 Alpina C2 2.5) as I had some really annoying problems in getting some Alpina specific parts when I had one.

While my dad's S54 had to have it's VANOS unit totally replaced by a Mr VANOS custom one, I read that because it was effectively the CSL's spec version in the Z4M and extra development, I knew pretty much the VANOS issues had been all but erased with the Z4M's. I am aware there are still problems linked to the S54 , I felt overall the S54 would be an engine I would enjoy a lot more. Also the 8K RPM limit would allow the engine to feel very similar to the custom built EJ20 my Impreza P1 , even though it was a turbocharged engined compared to the S54 being NA

One thing I read about the Alpina Roadster that worried me, was a number of problems with the 3.4's head gasket issues, which just worried me. Because I was being bought my car, my mum told me that she didn't want me having anything old or unreliable. My Dad had spent so much money getting problems fixed with his E46 M3 Cab and it really p***** my mum off. Getting her to OK me getting not only a BMW, but one that in her eyes, had the same bits my dad's car had was no small feat.

Typically I prefer the Alpina version of a BMW compared to the M-Sport version and I was very close to choosing the Alpina, but I knew with the Z4M being built in way bigger numbers, it would make life easier in the long run. I think the Alpina with it's torque being better and how it is through the rev range makes it better than the S54 for doing longer distance driving and possibly suit B-Road Hooning better than the S54, which needs to be taken by the scruff of the neck to get the best out of it, which is not always the best solution when on B-Roads.


If the Alpina had an LSD, I could learn to live with the electric PAS but it would eventually annoy me to the point I would decide to sell the car. The cosmetic stuff could always be installed, but I am a bit of a stickler for only putting mods on a car that don't clash with it's purity.
I'll totally go along with you on getting parts, Alpina are a pain in the arse :thumbsup: Also I'll agree ref the LSD, the difference in grip between my Z3M and the Alpina is night and day, that said the Alpina feels more like a GT than a sports car, the M is just a hooligan and behaves like one, but the grip is amazing, but you can turn it off and start praying :eek:;). The torque in the Alpina engine is astounding and real fun but isn't as engaging as the M that likes to rev.
Well the HG is an issue my came back from a BMW motor sport specialist last week having had the HG done, but at least its sorted for a while.
Pros now (in my opinion) - Quad tail pipes visual only (nice though) the Alpina sounds much better than the Z4M with only two. The Alpina looks much better in the flesh (inside and out), Z4M looks too much like all the other Z4s. Alpina wheels are just the best looking money can buy to look at. Alpina is just more exclusive than the M.

Sorry no M envy here :thumbsup:=))=))
 

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Now I'm gonna butt heads with you regards to the Alpina roadsters wheels. I just don't like the style Alpina went with in regards to that style of wheel. Now, the Alpina "classics" wheels are where it's at. Before I had my C2, I owned an E30 325i with a Tech 2 body kit and I put a set of genuine staggered Alpina wheels on it, as they just look amazing.

I actually want to get a set of classic style Alpina wheels to go on my M. On the Z4 forum, this got a bit of a negative response from other forum users, as they believe that you should have either M wheels or the CSL's. Sadly it seems the Alpina classic's that were done for the Z4 are NLA and I've been struggling to narrow down any website etc where I can get a NOS or mint condition examples.

With regards to the M looking too much like a normal Z4, I think that's not wrong, but not exactly right either. I would argue that bar the interior on the Alpina, they are just as much subtle differences with it, as there is with an M. But it's these subtle differences which is classically the ethos of both BMW tuning houses. It's not really until the mid/late 2000's that BMW did massive differences cosmetically with their M cars (bar the E30 M3). Let's face facts (yes I said facts), if you asked a non-petrolhead to pick out the different Z4 from a lineup with an Alpina, M and 3.0 , they would say they are all the same car. It's only really BMW/Z4 fans that would notice the difference in the first place.

I can't comment about the sound, as I've never heard an Alpina in the flesh and it's foolish to go by how they sound on YouTune, due to the compression they use really screwing with the tone heard on the audio. From my own experiences of dealing with Alpina's, they do typically have a more bassy/rumble edge to them when compared to a standard BMW from the same model line. After the shitstorm my Impreza P1 caused when it had a Blitz NUR spec 3.5" exhaust with one of my neighbours, I was really hyper-aware about not disturbing them after it took several years for them to become civil again. Add in the fact they now have two young kids, I didn't want to be coming home late at night and wake them up, as it's not fair on them. Now my dads E46 M3 had an aftermarket stainless system on it and it really made it more boomy/bassy , but I actually didn't like it too much.

Living in Oxford, where there is not much love when it comes to cars and just how viscous the city council are towards motorists, I did not want to draw unwanted attention to myself and end up with fines left, right and centre to deal with.


I think you were on the money about the Alpina being a GT car. That's what any Alpina is. They are a more refined and quicker version of the normal production line, where an M car is a more raw and quicker version. While both cars are Z4's , they are not built to do the same job or really compete with each other. Personally, I think the Alpina would handle better on B-Roads, due to it most likely having a softer spring and dampening setting, which can cope with the rough road surfaces most commonly found with B-Roads and even more so with Oxford's roads. When out in my M, I have found the back end wants to skip on bumpy sections frequently as they are too stiff. My Impreza P1 which was designed and built by Prodrive, with the specific goal of being a B-Road slayer, had much softer settings than the JDM Impreza STi Type-R (these are the top of the range 2 door Impreza's from the mid to late 90's).


In the days when I owned E30's, there was a common saying on the forums I used, known as "M Tax". Which boiled down to any M part, be it for the M3 or just the M-Sport options, would typically be around 20-30% more than standard parts. However, Alpina take this to a whole different level. I remember I needed to get a new downpipe for my C2 and Alpina quoted me £1200 and a 4 month wait to get the part, even though I could install an OEM 325i version for about £700 and aftermarket was even cheaper still!


I think it's a fool errands to make a statement that one version is better than the other, as they are just not built to do the same thing or are they built at the same audience. When I was looking at what car to get, it didn't matter to me one way or the other which version I went for, as for me, my car is about rebuilding a life after it all started to unravel when I suffered serious and life changing spinal injuries, which deteriorated to the point where I was unable to drive for a number of years and became a recluse, as I had nothing to go out for. So no matter which version I went for, the ultimate goal was to rebuild my social life and get out of the house, while gaining some sense of independence.


Do I like the Alpina? Yes, but I also liked the M the same amount and it just made more sense to choose it over one of the two Alpina roadsters that were up for sale and were in my price range back in November last year. Do I envy the Alpina? Not really but if I had gotten an Alpina, I would pretty much feel the same way towards the M. Also, in your case, you already had an M car with your Z3, so it totally makes more sense for you to have the Alpina, as I bet owning two raw roadsters would have felt like a waste of money?
 

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"Vive la difference" or maybe it should be "vive la Unterschied" :whistle: You are quite correct they are different cars for different uses aimed at different owners, I'd have a Z4M to be fair though if I didn't already have the Alpina in fact I would quite happily steal @Rally Imola Z4M :) probably the only colour I would want, trouble is he always locks it when I'm around :meh:

I don't like the Z4 as much as the Z3 to drive (but that's a totally different discussion that's been done to death) but I met Brian the previous owner a few years ago at a breakfast meet and just fell for the Alpina's looks and was fortunate some time after to buy it from him. It is a much more practical car for touring especially for luggage for two and as this year will be my first trip abroad with it rather than taking the Z3 as usual I'm hoping the 6 speed box will be kinder to the MPG, we'll see. I do like the fact there's not many left in the UK if I'm honest, its nice to have something reasonably rare.

You're not far away you should meet up with a few of us in the summer for a days harassing the locals around the Cotswolds we usually meet up at the Flag and Whistle Cafe at Toddington Station for a coffee and a natter then off for a hoon, I drop you a line if your interested next time we meet.

Just to end you are totally totally wrong about the wheels ;);):whistle:=))=))=))

Niall ;)
 

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Here is the link to Joel's first video with my car.

@Nodzed , I would totally be up for meeting and taking the Zeds out for a bit of a spin once the weather starts to improve. I think the first Zed club meets I have signed up for is ZedFest, so I will defiantly be there, but with it being right at the end of the show season this year, so there is plenty of excuses for us to go out and meet up with a few other local Zed owners for a club meet and drive. Just a few miles up from me, is another E85 M owner, who has a pretty similar colour combo as me, but he's got the CSL's on his car.


Last Sat when I meet up with Joel and let him film with my M, I was able to get low 30's MPG without trying too hard, going around 65-75mph on the M40 and M25. I would expect the Alpina would easily be able to beat this figure, as it doesn't need to be reved as much to get it really going right?


The one thing that has really pleased me, is just how easily it is to do a longer journey in my M. I find the M offers all the right type of support and driving position, with it's sports seats holding my damaged back firmly, but comfortably. I'm a bit over 6.4" , with multiple injuries and damage in my lower lumbar area to the base of my spine. Yet with a more reclined seating position (otherwise I can't see the dials clearly due to the rim of the wheel), I have actually managed to get into the car when my back has been really hurting me and within 20 mins, everything feels perfectly manageable again.

I would really love to go out in your Alpina as a passenger and see just how different the two cars are.
 

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I've been in contact with Joel and invited him to VanityBMW this year to film it. We'll see if he can make it along but it should make for a good video if he does.
His filming and editing skills are second to none. His daytime job is that of an video editor, which is why his content feels so well produced, even though he's only got a few thousand subscribers.

It was a really nice time meeting and chatting with him last Sat. I was also sat down chatting with his dad for a bit, as he has a E85 2.5, which he got because of Joel.
 

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I've watched a lot of his stuff. He needs to take care of his better.
 

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I've watched a lot of his stuff. He needs to take care of his better.
Due to my spinal problems, I am unable to stand for any length of time, so while Joel was filming with my M, I was actually sat in his 3.0 for about 25-30 mins at a time. His car has over 130,000 miles on the clock and it is his "daily" which he manages to do roughly 25,000 miles each year. For it's age and mileage, I actually thought the car was in pretty good shape. While it is in need of a pretty good clean and detailing, it's actually a pretty tight car still. Before filming one of the sections on the differences between the M and his 3.0, I was helping him to understand a bit more about the mechanical of both my S54 and his N54 engine. Under the bonnet, it's actually a pretty clean and tidy engine bay. It's what I know people would call an honest engine bay. There were no oil leaks or weeping gaskets and because he does a lot of the maintenance himself, he is making sure to keep on top of things.

It's actually only his 2nd car and first "nice" car, which you can tell he take a lot of pride in. Yes it's getting a bit tatty in places, he's only just turning 22 years old, which usually means loads of tacky mods or poorly done workmanship. If he spent just a few hundred quid, he could easily rejuvenate the whole car, to where it is a nice clean example. Also, I think his car is kept outside on his driveway, which does make it so much harder to keep in pristine condition.

When I was around his age, I got my first e30, which was a 318i 2 door. When I think how hard I was on that car in the 14 months I owned it, Joel's is almost concourse condition lol. The problem with a darker colour scheme, is it shows up any imperfections very easily on a high quality camera lens. Even now at the age of 39, I've been really tough on my previous cars and if it was not for my parents having to help me with so much of my every day life, due to all the problems my spinal damage has caused, I am sure my own car would start to suffer. I'm very lucky that my dad is the biggest petrolhead I know and because he was a car valeter/detailer for 20 years, my M gets cleaned and pampered just as much as his much beloved E46 M3 Cab did.

While the rear back-box delete is a bit is a mod typical of someone his age and excessively loud, he's really passionate about his car and Z4's in general.I think it's important that older owners/members to encourage people like Joel, as it helps keep the demand up for spares to be made and stocked, also it helps keep a car relevant way past when your typical car owner has moved on to something more modern. Because I think it's good to have a younger person champion the car we all share a love for and it's why I was more than happy to spend over 8 hours of my Saturday driving down to meet him and letting him film with my own car. While his channel is still pretty small, his subscriber base seem to be a mix of young drivers and Z4 fans, yet the young drivers are all starting to fall under the spell of the Z4. I think it's pretty damn cool that he is/has caused a number of them to go out and buy their own Z4's , rather than getting something Cliche like a Golf or Civic, that end up looking like they have done a ramraid on a branch of Halfords.
 
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Here is the link to Joel's first video with my car.

@Nodzed , I would totally be up for meeting and taking the Zeds out for a bit of a spin once the weather starts to improve. I think the first Zed club meets I have signed up for is ZedFest, so I will defiantly be there, but with it being right at the end of the show season this year, so there is plenty of excuses for us to go out and meet up with a few other local Zed owners for a club meet and drive. Just a few miles up from me, is another E85 M owner, who has a pretty similar colour combo as me, but he's got the CSL's on his car.


Last Sat when I meet up with Joel and let him film with my M, I was able to get low 30's MPG without trying too hard, going around 65-75mph on the M40 and M25. I would expect the Alpina would easily be able to beat this figure, as it doesn't need to be reved as much to get it really going right?


The one thing that has really pleased me, is just how easily it is to do a longer journey in my M. I find the M offers all the right type of support and driving position, with it's sports seats holding my damaged back firmly, but comfortably. I'm a bit over 6.4" , with multiple injuries and damage in my lower lumbar area to the base of my spine. Yet with a more reclined seating position (otherwise I can't see the dials clearly due to the rim of the wheel), I have actually managed to get into the car when my back has been really hurting me and within 20 mins, everything feels perfectly manageable again.

I would really love to go out in your Alpina as a passenger and see just how different the two cars are.
We will be in touch :thumbsup:
 

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The next two videos with my M will be coming out in the next week. Joel will have a video go live on Sunday where it's a reaction video with his dad. I actually got a chance to sit down and chat with him for 45 mins and he's a really decent chap. I had told Joel, that I was ok with his dad having a go in my M, as I suspected he would be like my old man and fall in love with the M.

The detailed tour of my car, where he has his 3.0 next to it, where he highlights differences comes out some time in the middle of next week.
 
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