Petition for lower road tax

Ianmc

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"Revenue from motoring taxes helps ensure we can continue to fund the vital public services and infrastructure"
Forget "road tax" , it's a tax on ownership.
I'm surprised they haven't brought the dog license back. :whistle:
 

GZed

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"Revenue from motoring taxes helps ensure we can continue to fund the vital public services and infrastructure"
Forget "road tax" , it's a tax on ownership.
I'm surprised they haven't brought the dog license back. :whistle:
Correct. There hasn’t been a ‘road tax’ since 1937, and it was only a road tax for the 16 years prior to that, when the Road Fund Licence was introduced shortly after the First World War. It never raised anywhere near enough to pay for upkeep & maintenance of the roads, so even then the bulk of expenditure came from general taxation.
 

Brocky61

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The government never actually addressed the petition, they addressed a straw man. The petition wanted a REDUCTION in VED rates for 20-40 year old vehicles. Whereas, the government response states: "The Government has no plans to reduce the tax EXEMPTION AGE for classic cars from 40 to 20 years. They are talking about reducing the age of cars for tax exemption not a reduction in rate of tax. How do you appeal, anyone know?
 
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bear2020

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VED is currently done on emissions. If an electric car is now going to have to pay VED how does that work? Is it a new tax on electric cars? It can't be the same as VED as they do not emit any?
Father in law bought an electric car to do his bit as he said and because there was no VED. As of next year he has to pay it. Like he said why did he bother? I said to him did you honestly think you would never be taxed?
 

Ianmc

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Is it a new tax on electric cars? It can't be the same as VED as they do not emit any?
Not at the point of use, but 70% of electricity is produced from burning gas. That electric powered vehicles do not pollute is one of the great misconceptions of our time. To say nothing of their impact on the infrastructure etc. They should not get tax concessions over other forms of fuel.
 

jonnyz

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Hi Everyone

I just came across this petition to ask the government to reduce road tax for classic cars over 20 years of age. After all, the buzz word these days is sustainability and we're sustaining the life of our cars beyond their designed life and hence doing our bit to save the earth's resources ;)

It must be worth a try as we seem to be losing a lot of Zeds, some probably because of the high rate of road tax.

The link below should take you to the petition.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/654884
I think all motorists should do what farmers, and hgv drivers have done in the past block the roads and motorways till someone actually listens. The general motorist and enthusiast have been persecuted, for years.
We have been, and always will be easy pickings for lining governments pockets. They just want us all driving round in over priced, and overrated electric cars.
Ooooooooooo feel better now I've got that of my chest!!.
 

bear2020

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Not at the point of use, but 70% of electricity is produced from burning gas. That electric powered vehicles do not pollute is one of the great misconceptions of our time. To say nothing of their impact on the infrastructure etc. They should not get tax concessions over other forms of fuel.
In 2022 40% of the electricity within the UK came from renewable sources, wind, solar, biomass, hydropower and Nuclear makes up about 19% with fossil fuels making up the rest. Not sure 70% of electricity is produced from burning gas
 

Pond

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In 2022 40% of the electricity within the UK came from renewable sources, wind, solar, biomass, hydropower and Nuclear makes up about 19% with fossil fuels making up the rest. Not sure 70% of electricity is produced from burning gas
I remember seeing a few years ago that the UK's electricity production was still made up of over 11% coal. That's raw, untreated coal.

If the same is still current, all the EV drivers are driving over 100 miles per 1,000 on pure CO2 belching coal. Green? More like black!
 

bear2020

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I remember seeing a few years ago that the UK's electricity production was still made up of over 11% coal. That's raw, untreated coal.

If the same is still current, all the EV drivers are driving over 100 miles per 1,000 on pure CO2 belching coal. Green? More like black!
It was down to 1% last year ;-)
 

bear2020

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No chance. So much misinformation out there. :(
Production from renewable technologies matched the previous record high of 2022 but renewables’ share of electricity generation increased to a record 47.3 per cent. Wind generation hit a record high share of 28.7 per cent of generation, up from 2.7 per cent in 2010. Generation from fossil fuels fell to a record low, a share of 36.3 per cent but generation from gas remained the principal form of UK generation at 34.3 per cent. Low carbon generation (renewables & nuclear) increased to a record high share of 61.5 per cent.

If you want to read the official document it can be found here

I am only interested in it as I am working back in the dirty Oil & Gas game and we are currently designing and building equipment for platforms and FPSO which will be installed in 2030 with a 30year plus life span. (Most go onto to 50+ years) Go figure that one out and that is worldwide.
 

PhilH67

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Done
 

Slam

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Just signed it . Just taxed my mini R53 £415 what a rip off.
 

Toby

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VED is currently done on emissions. If an electric car is now going to have to pay VED how does that work? Is it a new tax on electric cars? It can't be the same as VED as they do not emit any?
Father in law bought an electric car to do his bit as he said and because there was no VED. As of next year he has to pay it. Like he said why did he bother? I said to him did you honestly think you would never be taxed?

IIRC this changed in 2017, on newly registered vehicles - to non emissons based. It became a flat fee with an addeed premium if the cars value was over 40K

Obviously, oldr cars carried on, on their origial formula for working out their fee. Hence now they can, and rightly so charge electric vehicles a fee :cool:
 

Toby

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Production from renewable technologies matched the previous record high of 2022 but renewables’ share of electricity generation increased to a record 47.3 per cent. Wind generation hit a record high share of 28.7 per cent of generation, up from 2.7 per cent in 2010. Generation from fossil fuels fell to a record low, a share of 36.3 per cent but generation from gas remained the principal form of UK generation at 34.3 per cent. Low carbon generation (renewables & nuclear) increased to a record high share of 61.5 per cent.

If you want to read the official document it can be found here

I am only interested in it as I am working back in the dirty Oil & Gas game and we are currently designing and building equipment for platforms and FPSO which will be installed in 2030 with a 30year plus life span. (Most go onto to 50+ years) Go figure that one out and that is worldwide.

Thats good news, so perhaps they could the knock the green levy from our bills now and let them stand alone - helping ordinary folks cope with prices.
 

Pond

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Thats good news, so perhaps they could the knock the green levy from our bills now and let them stand alone - helping ordinary folks cope with prices.
In my 56 years, I don't think I have EVER seen a tax removed once implemented. Re-named, maybe, but never rescinded.

And if we are talking of rip-off taxes; let's start with my £3,408 a year Council tax for living in an average house, in an average road in an average town.
Or stamp duty ( house moving tax). I have paid the Gov over £75,000 'moving tax' in total. You get absolutely nothing for that. :mad:
 

bear2020

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Thats good news, so perhaps they could the knock the green levy from our bills now and let them stand alone - helping ordinary folks cope with prices.
I am pretty sure I will need to see pigs flying before I ever see that happen!
 

bear2020

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In my 56 years, I don't think I have EVER seen a tax removed once implemented. Re-named, maybe, but never rescinded.

And if we are talking of rip-off taxes; let's start with my £3,408 a year Council tax for living in an average house, in an average road in an average town.
Or stamp duty ( house moving tax). I have paid the Gov over £75,000 'moving tax' in total. You get absolutely nothing for that. :mad:
Yup £3500 we pay, we dont even have street lights, from what I can see we get a few poo bins, you have to call the council every year to cut back the footpaths around ours as they will not be done (a few of us maintain them now as its easier) and you might see a police car once every couple of years. I feel really satisfied with how my 3.5k gets spent every year.
Just checked the tax of the Z3 & Z4 both at £415 a year, cant justify it no more for 700miles so probably going to sell them both and be done with it as the government are just screwing us every which way. For our four cars our tax has gone up Z4&3 £80, Forester £35, Merc £20 its a joke
 
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