Rebody What Make/Model goes into the V5?

[Duncodin]

So you can have the make model shown as anything you want in the V5?

I've looked at a few via dvla mot/tax check and see things like this:-

Can you put anything you like in the V5?

I mean if I wanted to call my ReBody a "BMW Z507" would that be allowed? Or does it have to contain the word "Tribute" if it's a tribute body kit?

 

[IanA]

My Z300S is a Z300S BARCHETTA and my TFS is a TRIBUTE TARGA FLORIO.

On the V627 form I wrote "Tribute Automotive is a supplier of replacement bodywork parts for BMW Z3 Roadster cars. They call this bodywork swapped car a Z300S Barchetta. It is not a kit car - only the external body panels are changed. It is not a replica of any existing car. It is meant to resemble a 1950's Italian sports car."

"Tribute Automotive is a supplier of replacement bodywork parts for BMW Z3 Roadster cars. I call this bodywork swapped car a Tribute Targa Florio. It is not a kit car - only the external body panels are changed. It is not a replica of any existing car. It is meant to resemble a 1960's Italian sports car."

Helpful?

 

[Pingu]

You can put anything you like on the V5C, as long as DVLA will accept it.

Mine is
Make - TRIBUTE
Model - Z75


The person who chose BMW TRIBUTE 275 was braver than me, as our Italian friends could take exception and they would have a hook in the "275".

If they were to challenge that someone has attempted to make a copy, they may have problems over the shape, but the 275 is indisputable.

This is why I have no badges and no reference to our red / yellow friends.

 

[Duncodin]

You can put anything you like on the V5C, as long as DVLA will accept it.

Mine is
Make - TRIBUTE
Model - Z75

The person who chose BMW TRIBUTE 275 was braver than me, as our Italian friends could take exception and they would have a hook in the "275".

But what what could they do about it? Do they come and put a horses head in your bed?

 

[Duncodin]

Anyway. My understanding is that if Chris built a car and put an italian OEM's badge on it and sold it to you claiming it was a genuine italian supercar he'd see himself in court pretty quick.

If he sold you a car without any badges and told you it was a BMW with some body panels then he'd probably have no problems. You'd also have no problems if you, subsequently, put badges on it as long as you didn't try selling it while claiming it's a real one.

A bit like that boy-racer who puts a fat exhaust and an M badge on the back of his 316. It's his car and he can do what he wants with it as long as he doesn't try to sell it to somebody while claiming it's a real M

Anyway. I'm going to call mine a "BMW Z507". Partly because I've already ordered the [**Z 507] dateless reg number.

 

[jaguartvr]

Also think of insuring it, BMW Z507 will make sense to them.
I was tempted with "fanny Magnet" but I was told it probably wouldn't go down too well with the DVLA or the insurance company.
I settled for Tribute California

 

[Pingu]

I'd just rather not have the hassle...

Legality of replica cars

Legality of replica cars

grassrootsmotorsports.com

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/jaguar-c-type/

 

[Pond]

I have been wondering about this aswell. As my kit is not coming from Tribute (or any other recognised 'company') I am wondering how I will proceed with the DVLA.

I don't think that the 'Italians' can do anything with regard a private person 'impersonating' one of their cars. I may be wrong and one day regret saying this, but I just don't see it TBH. I was under the impression that laws like these can only affect those who are making money from doing it, as a business. It is a very very grey area at best anyway.

 

[jaguartvr]

You can put down any name as manufacturer that you want, the DVLA don't seem to bothered so long as you fill out the form.
the Italians or any other manufacturers only get huffy when they see a manufacturer advertising them, especially when they are all badged up. There is nothing to stop you sticking an "F" badge on your Ford Mondeo, your car so your choice. If Ford start sticking "F" pages on thier cars it would be a different matter. Just a case of being sensible.

 

[Duncodin]

On the other hand - is it actually necessary?. I mean if I fitted a front spoiler, back spoiler and fat wheelarches then that doesn't change the make or model of the car.

Admitedly, a full tribute body kit makes more visual changes than a couple of spoilers. But somewhere in between. At what point is it clear that the model has changed.

Sorry for stiring it a bit. I'm just playing devil's advocate. But I'm curious. If I rolled up for an MOT in a 507 body kit is the MOT tester going to fail the car because the database says it's a z3.

 

[jaguartvr]

No he shouldn't but if plod reads your numberplate and it shows the car as a blue BMW Z3 and he can see a bright red Italian supercar then he will be suspicious and should pull you over. The idea of re registering the car is to stop this. If you don't do it now it could cause problems later.

There is a very nice Southern Roadcraft Daytona spider on eBay at the moment for £37, suspiciously cheap, a bit of digging and you find that it is still registered as an E-type. To get it legal for the road it will now have to go through an IVA test which will be very expensive and very hard to get, all because it wasn't re-registerd properly when it was built in the 80"s.

 

[Pond]

No he shouldn't but if plod reads your numberplate and it shows the car as a blue BMW Z3 and he can see a bright red Italian supercar then he will be suspicious and should pull you over. The idea of re registering the car is to stop this. If you don't do it now it could cause problems later.

There is a very nice Southern Roadcraft Daytona spider on eBay at the moment for £37, suspiciously cheap, a bit of digging and you find that it is still registered as an E-type. To get it legal for the road it will now have to go through an IVA test which will be very expensive and very hard to get, all because it wasn't re-registerd properly when it was built in the 80"s.

Agreed. If it don't look like a Z3, then to 99.9% of people, including the Police, it ain't a Z3. So the V5 paperwork being altered is also showing that it is (although altered). I can imagine the insurance industry having a field day if the correct boxes aren't ticked aswell.

 

[Duncodin]

I was just looking at Ferrari replicas based on MR2. Theres a lot of them and they do look pretty cool. Nothing like an MR2. All the wording and horse badges etc.

I picked half dozen from google images where the reg number was visible and went to dvla. Every one of them was shown as being an MR2. Non of them had bothered changing their make/model.

 

[Stevo7682]

I will answer from an mot perspective.
If you presented as a 1999 bmw z3 the tester would test as presented as long as the details matched ( reg , chassis no and colour) but he would test it as a 1999 z3 and it would have to comply with all the appropriate regulations for that year of vehicle whereas presented as a kit vehicle thats been through Sva/Iva then that can change the requirements for emissions and brake requirements etc and like said the police may stop you everytime you dont match up and insurance may not be happy you calling it a zed 3 once you have listed all the mods .
Stephen.

 

[Stevo7682]

This would be one potential example

 

[Pingu]

This would be one potential example
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A comment about the above.

It needs to have been built as a kit car before 1 August 1998.

On the V5C, my car says it was first registered on 08/01/1998, but on the MOT database (which can only be amended by DVLA) it states its date of first registration was 30 September 1998. It is, therefore, tested as a 1998 car.

The make and model can be amended by the MOT station to reflect what is written on the V5C, but the date of first registration is non-amendable by them.

 

[t-tony]

The first thing a policeman will look for is most likely that the colour matches the registration number. Anyone with half a brain can look at one of the “tribute“ cars and see it’s based on a BMW Z3. Not all human beings, Coppers included, have half a brain.

Tony.

 

[Pond]

The first thing a policeman will look for is most likely that the colour matches the registration number. Anyone with half a brain can look at one of the “tribute“ cars and see it’s based on a BMW Z3. Not all human beings, Coppers included, have half a brain.

Tony.

I would put money on 99.9% of the public (and the Police) not knowing the first thing about 'kit cars', let alone recognising one.

 

[Pond]

I will answer from an mot perspective.
If you presented as a 1999 bmw z3 the tester would test as presented as long as the details matched ( reg , chassis no and colour) but he would test it as a 1999 z3 and it would have to comply with all the appropriate regulations for that year of vehicle whereas presented as a kit vehicle thats been through Sva/Iva then that can change the requirements for emissions and brake requirements etc and like said the police may stop you everytime you dont match up and insurance may not be happy you calling it a zed 3 once you have listed all the mods .
Stephen.

So what is the scenario with an MOT when a Z3 has had it's airbags removed, roll over hoops removed, etc, etc? As the cars we are talking about will not have been through an IVA?
Interested for obvious reasons!

 

[t-tony]

Hence my point about colour!

Tony.