How To Guide Z4 roof motor relocation to boot

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£100 is far cheaper than I had in mind ha!

fingers crossed for mot tomorrow. Got the bulb warning light on which they are going to need to investigate as I can’t see any bulbs out and my handbrake cable needs tightening.

also that bloody brake vacuum hose issue needs to be sorted too.

ughh wish I never stood the thing through the winter
 

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Just check the rear parcel shelf is in the lowered position otherwise the roof won't lower after it unlocks from the windscreen
 

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If, when you get the motor/pump out it appears to be corroded it is worth while soaking it in a bucket of diesel for a day or three. Quite often they will come back to life. Of course it may not be the motor, as the car has been standing check the wiring for rodent damage.

Tony.
 

Andrew Polasek

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Great thread. Just some thoughts: The pump/motor from a 2008-2014 Ford Mustang is a drop in replacement for the expensive BMW unit. You can buy one off eBay or a wrecked car, and they are usually in mint condition since they lived life high and dry from the elements. Same German manufacturer, and a bit more powerful than the Z4 unit. You will need to splice the wires since the factory connectors are different. And of course, swap the hydraulic lines over, but easy job as they are oriented the same way. The Mustang has a taller hydraulic fluid reservoir, but this can also be swapped for the shorter BMW one if you need the clearance.
If you need to replace a lift cylinder or hydraulic line, you can do it without removing the top from the car, and if you have access to a come-along winch it's a one- man job. Just remove the top two T40 torx bolts from inside the car and loosen the bottom ones. Remove the 7 10mm bolts holding the rear top frame to the car from inside the boot, and separate the weatherstripping from the car body. Hook straps to left and right top hinges (with top fully open), and to the winch which is hung from something sturdy (tree branch, rafter) centered over the car. Start winching and the top will start to come up and out of its cavity at the front, you can wiggle it a bit as you go until the lift cylinders clear the body. Continue winching as needed to access the parts you need to service, and the roof drains will be exposed for easy cleaning. You can easily relocate the pump with this method and when done you can lower the top gently back into its recess and bolt everything back up. What's nice is that you can take your time and gently coax the top back without risk of damaging anything. Hope this helps someone.
 

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Does anyone know of a mechanic or the like in Sydney Australian that could perform the roof pump repair and relocation procedure.
I’m struggling.
 

OhioZ4

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When I relocate mine , its going to be in the winter , so when I get aggravated , Ill be able to step away and let it sit for a while , wont be missing any sunny days .
 

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I've followed this guide and YouTube videos its helpful though I sincerely struggled when getting the bottom of the motor case out.
But I hit a snag and need help as I somehow must have broken or disconnected cable 12 from sunroof mechanism (not the pump) and can't see where it is meant to go.
does anyone know or have a picture of where it goes?
 

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Picture would help, do you mean an electrical cable?
The only cables are two that connect at the bottom of the motor, simple spade connectors.
If they are disconnected it could be that the terminals have corroded off especially if the units been sat in water from blocked drain syndrome
 

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Looks like you have broken the connection to the hydraulic ram you will need a replacement pipe.
If you go over to https://z4-forum.com/forum/index.php you will find user Number5 (Alan) on there based in Bristol who offers relocation service, he carries spares so worth sending him a message on there to see if he can assist with a replacement part.
He posted this on the Z4 Forum regarding contact number
" I don’t want to post my number in full numeric format as scammers pick it up, but you can get me on 07707- six six two- 667, please only call/text me at reasonably sociable hours (09:00 -19:30)."
 

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Well, my missus's Z4 succumbed to the renowned roof motor failure last week.
Windows drop, roof unlatches then nothing.
So I set about a repair and decided to photograph what I did to get it, not only working, but relocated as well.

The main problem with the Z4 roof motor is its location.

The motor, surrounded by some sound proofing foam, sits in its own small black plastic housing,
This housing is tie-wrapped into a plastic moulded compartment just behind the L/H door (UK passenger side)
There is a drain hole in the bottom of the compartment, which can become blocked. The compartment will eventually fill with water, from rain and/or washing. and the water then spills into the motor housing.

The problem is this.

Imagine you have a bucket with a drain hole, (that is the plastic compartment behind the door).
Put a cup inside your nice dry bucket, (the cup is the motor housing)
Now put a motor into the cup
If you now plug the drain hole and start filling the bucket with water, eventually the level reaches the top of the cup, and the cup also fills with water.
Now unblock your drain hole and the bucket empties, but the cup does not.

No amount of further unblocking and keeping the drain hole clear will empty the cup, and that is exactly what happens to the Z4 motor, as it sits and slowly rusts away whilst remaining submerged. And it only has to fill once.


So here is the (second) way I did it: (other methods are available.... =)))
I know! I removed a roof once to do this on a previous Z4.




First job is to remove the parcel shelf.
To do this, squeeze together and push upwards the plastic clips. There are two on each side of the parcel shelf:

View attachment 111665

The clips will probably fall down the sides, but you can get them later,



Pull the fabric flap off the shelf:
View attachment 110183

View attachment 110235


Now pull each hinge upper plate away from the parcel shelf towards the centre of the boot:
this is best done with the parcel shelf in the upper position
View attachment 110187



Remove the parcel shelf by moving it towards the drivers side as far as it can go, and pulling the other end out. Then you can rescue any clips that you pinged off earlier.



Now you can remove the complete LHS hinge assembly for the parcel shelf.
Remove the Torx bolt at the front, and the bolt at the back.
View attachment 110189

View attachment 110191


There is also a rivet, in the now viewable plastic well.
Pull the centre of the rivet out with some pliers, and then remove the outer washer:
View attachment 110195


Now give the whole hinge assembly a good pull towards the middle of the car to remove it. A little hump shape underneath it provides some resistance, but otherwise it just needs a bit of effort.



Now you can see all the way into the well and behind the door latch is the dreaded motor in its housing:

View attachment 110229


cut the tie wraps to release the hoses

View attachment 110197



By lying on my back in the boot with both arms above my head and through into the compartment I was able to wiggle the housing about.

It is held in place by two tie wraps around the ram which is nearest the door, and on the RHS of the housing. But I could not get it to shift. I even tried from the door end but that was worse and just wasted time taking off the plastic cover and speaker compartments behind the seat. None of that is needed by the way, Everything can be done from the boot.

So what I eventually ended up doing was separating the motor housing,
The housing comes in two parts (see later photo's). It is held together with some black fabric tape.
I was able to pick at the tape and pull a lot of it off. Then with a long bar I was able to separate the top of the housing from the tie wrapped bottom section exposing the pump.
View attachment 110199


From then on I could pull out the pump/motor assembly, and finally wrench the bottom of the housing out.

The motor was soaked and rusty,
and the bottom housing was full of the dirtiest water imaginable, that could run down my face as I tipped it up in the boot over myself.....!
View attachment 110201


With the motor pulled into the boot you can see the ram and associated hoses to it, Try not to pull too hard on these:
View attachment 110205

Now you can see (with a camera) the bottom of the plastic well and the drain hole. Note the rusty water tide mark:
View attachment 110209

The housing looks as follows, with the tiewraps on the plastic fin which breaks away eventually:
View attachment 110213
You can see the remainder of the fabric tape that I couldnt get too


and inside is the sound proofing which stays soaked:
View attachment 110215


You can separate the motor from the pump by removing 2 allen bolts, but do this with the pump downwards and break the joint nearest the motor or you will lose hydraulic oil (ask me how I know)
With a quick wipe down and wire brush, I then sprayed WD40 all over it and inside it. then connected to a 12v power supply and it immediately came back to life so I ran it in both directions whilst still oiling it.
Sorry no pictures for that.

After putting it back together and topping up with hydraulic jack oil through the little plug in the top of the pump. (check level with roof down) I was able to get the roof up and down fully with no noises,
To operate the roof you have to temporarily press in the parcelshelf position microswitch (i used a 12mm socket for that):

View attachment 111675


The hoses that now go to the motor have to be routed across the plastic well and below the hinge. This involved cutting the plastic away and securing as follows:
View attachment 110225



The hinge assembly had to have the same treatment before being refitted:
View attachment 111677

Then time to rebuild:
I pulled out the LHS carpet from the side of the boot to be able to locate the motor.
I tiewrapped the dried out soundproofing around the motor and tied it to a little connector block which is under the LHS side carpet:
Keeping the motor underneath and the pump uppermost:
View attachment 110231

Then just wrap the carpet back around,
View attachment 111679

refit the parcel shelf and fiddly clips, and finally the fabric flap.



and most importantly have a beer, knowing that it will no longer get wet, It is easy to get to, and top up if required.

Over 2 grand to fix from BMW,
I did it for free.
Great detail....thank you much for the photos! I fear I may get stuck in the boot but so long as my hubby is within yelling distance am sure it will be just fine!![
 
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ptas

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Well, my missus's Z4 succumbed to the renowned roof motor failure last week.
Windows drop, roof unlatches then nothing.
So I set about a repair and decided to photograph what I did to get it, not only working, but relocated as well.

The main problem with the Z4 roof motor is its location.

The motor, surrounded by some sound proofing foam, sits in its own small black plastic housing,
This housing is tie-wrapped into a plastic moulded compartment just behind the L/H door (UK passenger side)
There is a drain hole in the bottom of the compartment, which can become blocked. The compartment will eventually fill with water, from rain and/or washing. and the water then spills into the motor housing.

The problem is this.

Imagine you have a bucket with a drain hole, (that is the plastic compartment behind the door).
Put a cup inside your nice dry bucket, (the cup is the motor housing)
Now put a motor into the cup
If you now plug the drain hole and start filling the bucket with water, eventually the level reaches the top of the cup, and the cup also fills with water.
Now unblock your drain hole and the bucket empties, but the cup does not.

No amount of further unblocking and keeping the drain hole clear will empty the cup, and that is exactly what happens to the Z4 motor, as it sits and slowly rusts away whilst remaining submerged. And it only has to fill once.


So here is the (second) way I did it: (other methods are available.... =)))
I know! I removed a roof once to do this on a previous Z4.




First job is to remove the parcel shelf.
To do this, squeeze together and push upwards the plastic clips. There are two on each side of the parcel shelf:

View attachment 111665

The clips will probably fall down the sides, but you can get them later,



Pull the fabric flap off the shelf:
View attachment 110183

View attachment 110235


Now pull each hinge upper plate away from the parcel shelf towards the centre of the boot:
this is best done with the parcel shelf in the upper position
View attachment 110187



Remove the parcel shelf by moving it towards the drivers side as far as it can go, and pulling the other end out. Then you can rescue any clips that you pinged off earlier.



Now you can remove the complete LHS hinge assembly for the parcel shelf.
Remove the Torx bolt at the front, and the bolt at the back.
View attachment 110189

View attachment 110191


There is also a rivet, in the now viewable plastic well.
Pull the centre of the rivet out with some pliers, and then remove the outer washer:
View attachment 110195


Now give the whole hinge assembly a good pull towards the middle of the car to remove it. A little hump shape underneath it provides some resistance, but otherwise it just needs a bit of effort.



Now you can see all the way into the well and behind the door latch is the dreaded motor in its housing:

View attachment 110229


cut the tie wraps to release the hoses

View attachment 110197



By lying on my back in the boot with both arms above my head and through into the compartment I was able to wiggle the housing about.

It is held in place by two tie wraps around the ram which is nearest the door, and on the RHS of the housing. But I could not get it to shift. I even tried from the door end but that was worse and just wasted time taking off the plastic cover and speaker compartments behind the seat. None of that is needed by the way, Everything can be done from the boot.

So what I eventually ended up doing was separating the motor housing,
The housing comes in two parts (see later photo's). It is held together with some black fabric tape.
I was able to pick at the tape and pull a lot of it off. Then with a long bar I was able to separate the top of the housing from the tie wrapped bottom section exposing the pump.
View attachment 110199


From then on I could pull out the pump/motor assembly, and finally wrench the bottom of the housing out.

The motor was soaked and rusty,
and the bottom housing was full of the dirtiest water imaginable, that could run down my face as I tipped it up in the boot over myself.....!
View attachment 110201


With the motor pulled into the boot you can see the ram and associated hoses to it, Try not to pull too hard on these:
View attachment 110205

Now you can see (with a camera) the bottom of the plastic well and the drain hole. Note the rusty water tide mark:
View attachment 110209

The housing looks as follows, with the tiewraps on the plastic fin which breaks away eventually:
View attachment 110213
You can see the remainder of the fabric tape that I couldnt get too


and inside is the sound proofing which stays soaked:
View attachment 110215


You can separate the motor from the pump by removing 2 allen bolts, but do this with the pump downwards and break the joint nearest the motor or you will lose hydraulic oil (ask me how I know)
With a quick wipe down and wire brush, I then sprayed WD40 all over it and inside it. then connected to a 12v power supply and it immediately came back to life so I ran it in both directions whilst still oiling it.
Sorry no pictures for that.

After putting it back together and topping up with hydraulic jack oil through the little plug in the top of the pump. (check level with roof down) I was able to get the roof up and down fully with no noises,
To operate the roof you have to temporarily press in the parcelshelf position microswitch (i used a 12mm socket for that):

View attachment 111675


The hoses that now go to the motor have to be routed across the plastic well and below the hinge. This involved cutting the plastic away and securing as follows:
View attachment 110225



The hinge assembly had to have the same treatment before being refitted:
View attachment 111677

Then time to rebuild:
I pulled out the LHS carpet from the side of the boot to be able to locate the motor.
I tiewrapped the dried out soundproofing around the motor and tied it to a little connector block which is under the LHS side carpet:
Keeping the motor underneath and the pump uppermost:
View attachment 110231

Then just wrap the carpet back around,
View attachment 111679

refit the parcel shelf and fiddly clips, and finally the fabric flap.



and most importantly have a beer, knowing that it will no longer get wet, It is easy to get to, and top up if required.

Over 2 grand to fix from BMW,
I did it for free.
 

ptas

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Great write up. i was able to get the motor to the boot... i had to drill a hole in the top of the bottom half plastic housing and run a 3/8 rope thru the hole and yank the hell out of it to get in out .

I put a new motor on and added fluid (cost almost as much as the motor) and it worked 6 times and then I got a flashing red light and no motor in trunk or front latch,

i have checked fuses the trunk switch, lines look ok?

this happened after i tucked motor behind the carpet... i am wondering if i could of shorted the motor?

Any idea what the flashing red light means?
Any suggestions?
 

colb

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Check the parcel shelf is in the lowered position, if you have the shelf out put a suitable sized socket in the swith recess to keep it pressed then you can check the motor out now its in the boot. If the switch is suspect just connect the switch wires together to make the circuit and test the roof.
 

ptas

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I used a socket in the micro switch access grove. The motor and top initially worked, but after wards stopped working completely.. i see no fuse or switch issue

All i get now is a flashing red light? What does that indicate

Tx
 

ptas

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Can i disconnect the leads to motor and run wire directly from battery in trunk to the motor to see if motor is working...or will that overload the motor
 

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Do your brake lights work? The red light flashing indicates that something isn’t “ready” for the roof to move.

Tony.
 
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